HERE'S THEIR PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 14, 2011
MAYOR BLOOMBERG ANNOUNCES RESULTS OF FIRST EVER NATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO ILLEGAL ONLINE GUN SALES
62 Percent of Private Sellers Agree to Sell Illegally - a Felony under Federal Law
Undercover Videos of Illegal Gun Sales and Full Report Available at www.nyc.gov
- Craigslist.com: 82 percent of the time
- Glocktalk.com: 78 percent
- Gunlistings.org: 77 percent
- KSL.com: 67 percent
- Armslist.com: 54 percent
- Federal law should require a background check for every gun sale. Legislation now pending in both chambers of Congress – The Fix Gun Checks Act of 2011 (S.436/H.R.1781 (112th Congress)) – would enact this reform.
- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) should improve enforcement of existing laws. ATF should conduct undercover investigations on a variety of websites, track whether guns recovered in crimes were originally sold online and offer online tutorials to train sellers and buyers on federal gun laws governing online sales.
- Websites should adopt tougher protocols for self-policing. Websites that permit gun sales demand transparency from sellers and buyers and facilitate reporting of suspicious behavior by site users.
Seller: Hello?Investigator: Hi, I’m calling about that El Paso Gun Trader ad– for the Kimber Target SS?Seller: Yes– Yes sir….Investigator: I know it says here 700 firm, so I mean, I ain’t gonna try to lowball you, but, you’re not a licensed guy, right?Seller: No, I’m not a licensed dealer. So…Investigator: Okay, so no background checks?Seller: No background checks, sir.Investigator: That’s good, ‘cause I probably couldn’t pass one. Anyway-Seller: Oh, yeah, I– Because you just told me that, though, I can’t sell it to you.Investigator: Why’s that?Seller: ‘Cause if you just told me that you can’t pass, it’s be a felony for me to sell it to you. So, thanks. Have a good day!Investigator: Hung up on me.
Investigator: Hello?Seller: Hey, this is Eric. I just missed your call about the gun on ArmsList.Investigator: Oh yeah, yeah. Hey Eric.Seller: I got like three. I was wondering which one were you interested in?Investigator: How about the Smith 9 millimeter there… You take $425 for it?Seller: Yeah, I’ve got a couple other guys that want to trade me, but if you’re talking cash I’d much rather have cash.Investigator: Oh I got cash.Seller: Just bring ID with you, I’ll bring my ID so everything will be cool like that, you know? I’ll show you that I’m over 18 years old. [Laughs]Investigator: You’re not one of those licensed guys though, are you Eric?Seller: No, this is private party, so it’ll be just between you and me.Investigator: Okay, but there’s no background check, right?Seller: No background check, no nothing. No.Investigator: Good, ‘cause I probably couldn’t pass one.Seller: Really? Don’t say that, man. [Laughs] I don’t want to hear that.Investigator: All right, so $425?Seller: Yeah, $425’s what I’m asking for it, yup.Investigator: So, you got the Smith and Wesson right, 469?Seller: Yup, that’s the 469.Investigator: Okay.Seller: Or you could put this in your pocket and have 15 rounds extra. You know what I’m saying?Investigator: Yeah.Seller: If you run out of rounds with that – God forbid – you have your f***ing reload. You know what I’m saying?Investigator: Oh yeah, okay. You count it there and make sure everything’s okay.Seller: All right, sir. One, two, three, four, fifty.Investigator: Well listen, I appreciate it.Seller: Yup.Investigator: All right.Seller: You enjoy.
Seller: Hello?Investigator: I was calling about that Ruger Mini-14 you got there. Still got it?Seller: Yeah, yes I do.Investigator: You’re not one of those licensed guys or anything, right?Seller: No, no, nope. [Laughs]Investigator: Okay good, so no paperwork, no taxes, and-Seller: No, nope, none of that, nope. Just, you know-Investigator: No background checks.Seller: No, I just take cash and there you go. [Laughs]Investigator: All right, no background checks. That’s good, because I probably couldn’t pass one of those things.Seller: [Laughs]Investigator: But yeah, $650, man, I’d love to have it.Seller: Okay, yeah that’s fine. Well if you want-Investigator: Just give me a call at this number and we’ll just hook up there.Seller: Nice to meet you.Investigator: Nice to meet you. So that’s it, huh?Seller: That’s it.Investigator: Can I take a look?Seller: Go right ahead, feel free.Investigator: Count it for me, make sure it’s there.Seller: I’m glad it all works out in the end. You got what you want…Investigator: Yeah, sure did.Seller: …and I got what I wanted.Investigator: All right, thanks a lot.
Investigator: So, no- no paperwork or anything?Seller: No, no, no, no, no… Just as long as you’re, like, a Kentucky resident – I don’t care.Investigator: Okay, Yeah, so no- no background checks. Right?Seller: Right. Right.Investigator: That’s good, ‘cuz I probably couldn’t pass one.LAUGHTERInvestigator: yeah. Four- 400 cash? Yeah-Seller: Yeah, I’ll take 400 cash.Investigator: You’re not like a licensed guy, are you?Seller: No.Investigator: Okay. So, no background checks or anything like that?Seller: No, I’m just a private person.Investigator: Oh, that’s good because I probably couldn’t pass one, so-Seller: Yeah-Investigator: Anyway-Seller: I probably couldn’t either.LAUGHTERInvestigator: You know- you’re talking my language there, Fred. I like that.Seller: Yesiree.Investigator: So, there ain’t going to be no background checks or nothin’ like that, then?Seller: It’s- It’s your problem if it’s not legal for you to buy it – that’s how that works here, in Tennessee.Investigator: Okay, ‘cuz I probably couldn’t pass one – a background.Seller: (?) Well, you shouldn’t tell me that, though.LAUGHTERInvestigator: Oh, yeah.Seller: That’s okay, I don’t know all the letters of the law, but I’m pretty sure, if somebody said, ‘I can’t pass a background check,’ you’re not supposed to give it to them. But, it’s okay, I would.Investigator: You don’t need no background check or anything like that, right?Seller: No. In Ohio, all- all I need to see is your license to make sure you’re over 21.LAUGHTERInvestigator: That’s good, ‘cause I probably couldn’t pass one.Seller: I- I don’t need to know it.LAUGHTERInvestigator: No background checks?Unknown: No.Seller: No background checks.LAUGHTERInvestigator: That’s good, ‘cause I probably couldn’t pass one.Seller: So that’s serious. If You- If you’re gonna use it on somebody afterwards, I might have to use my other gun on your ass.Unknown: Yeah, call me back around 6 and then I’ll just write up the bill of sale to you, or whatever, I don’t know how that works.Investigator: Like I said, I don’t want no- couldn’t pass a background check anyway, so.Seller: That right there – a lot of people do have that problem and- I mean, just between you and me, there’s a lot of people who buy guns that way that probably can’t walk into a gun store and do it, but, person-to-person private sales – you just sell the gun.
Seller: Hello?Investigator: Hi I saw your ad on Gunlistings, uh, for the Glock 27. Is that still available?Seller: Oh yeah, that’s me. I got it.Investigator: So you got it for $475, would you be willing to do $425?Seller: I could probably meet you in between at like $450. That’s the lowest I could take right now.Investigator: Oh I can do $450. Are you- you’re not a license dealer right?Seller: No I’m not, no.Investigator: Okay that’s good because I mean I’m only 17 but I’ve been shooting my guns my whole life and I’m going to be 18 in six months.Seller: Yeah.Investigator: So how do you want to do this? I mean, I can go closer to you.Seller: When were you wanting to do it?Investigator: Well maybe over the weekend would be okay if you’re around.Seller: Oh yeah, okay I’m fine with that. If you want to do it tonight I could, but yeah, anytime this weekend. Just give me a call, or I’ll give you a call back and we’ll work on arrangements or somethingInvestigator: Alright great.Seller: Alright.Investigator: Thanks very much. Bye.
HERE'S THE FULL REPORT: http://www.nyc.gov/html/cjc/downloads/pdf/nyc_pointclickfire.pdf
Stu Loeser/Marc La Vorgna (212) 788-2958
Paul Browne (Police Department)